3 March 2005 - Four RCMP Murdered at Seized Marijuana Grow-Op

[Crown-Loyal]

  And did anyone else notice that the character of Roszko kept calling the Corporal a Constable?  Never once corrected. 

Blackhorse7, I did notice that. After the first time I heard that I thought OOPS somebody made a mistake, but after the other times I thought maybe it was Roszko's way of insulting CPL Stanton ( I believe that was the CPL ). Just thought that may be the case ???

 

[Yrys]

Tonight at CBC, 9 P. M. if you're in Québec


BAD Day at Barrhead

Three years have passed since four young Mounties were cut down by cop-hater James Roszko on his farm in rural Alberta. Soon after those murders,
the fifth estate began to investigate what really happened. The result of that investigation, 'A Hail of Bullets', raised troubling questions about how the
RCMP policed Roszko and what could have been done to prevent those tragic killings. And even though two young local men were arrested this year and
charged with four counts of first-degree murder, their role in the murder of the Mounties is far from clear.

Linden MacIntyre and a fifth estate team pick up their investigation to report on what has happened since those dark days and try to find out why there
are still no answers to some very basic and serious questions.

 

[1feral1]

"The result of that investigation, 'A Hail of Bullets', raised troubling questions about how the
RCMP policed Roszko and what could have been done to prevent those tragic killings. And even though two young local men were arrested this year and charged with four counts of first-degree murder, their role in the murder of the Mounties is far from clear."

Speaking of the two blokes who were charged and now out on bail, one would think charged with MULTIPLE, yes four counts each of 1st degree murder, they would remain locked up on principle, if not for their own safety. If not, what message does this send to the Canadian public? Sure, murder 4 policemen and get bail, have pizza, go to a movie, hang out. Thats not justice is it. So why are they being allowed out?

From what I have been reading on this case since 2005, and since 2007, when these arrests were made, that perhaps the RCMP have gone too far by charging these two with a capital murder, and are now realising this??

I am keen to read of the disclosure once it comes out in the wash. This case is big, its one of the biggest in the RCMP history, and since the Reil Rebellion years.

Don't get me wrong we all want justice, but real justice, and not at the cost of two guys who to me, look more like scapegoats rather than 1st degree murderers each day. 1st Degree murderers don't get bail, especially cop killers, and four of them at that! Or I would think they don't. For their own safety at least.

To let them out, sends a clear message not only to me, and others, on why (??) were they charged with M1 in the first place, and the validation of the investiation against them. I will be watching this case unfold as it comes to life over the upcoming months.

Perhaps the RCMP went too far in these charges??? I guess it depends what you read, but more and more the media tend to also see what is becoming obvious.

For the record, I am pro-Police, pro capital punnishment, and right winged when it comes for the correct punnishment to fit the crime. Like all of us, I am seeking the truth, and quick real justice for anyone involved in such a murder which has darkend the Force with the loss of four fine men.

I hope I make some type of sense?

Am I questioning the investigative proceedure, TORs, quality and depth of the evidence gathered, along with the morals/ethics of the investigative technique used? Yes, I certainly am.

I guess time will tell.

Regards,

Wes

 

[Yrys]

Mayerthorpe (HD)- Saturday, Feb. 28 at 9pm ET


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[Bruce Monkhouse]

Sigh.......that is the only though I have that can be printed.



http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/national/convicted+Alberta+Mountie+deaths+allowed+unescorted/9664191/story.html

BOWDEN, Alta. - A man convicted of manslaughter for his role in the shooting deaths of four Alberta RCMP officers near Mayerthorpe has been granted unescorted, temporary absences from prison.

The National Parole Board ruled Wednesday that Shawn Hennessey will be allowed out for up to 72 hours at a time over the next six months.
Board spokesman Gary Sears said Hennessey, 34, will have to follow certain restrictions.
"There are three conditions: not to consume or possess alcohol, not to consume, purchase or possess drugs and to avoid negative associates, those involved in criminal activity," Sears said.

Hennessey was sentenced to 15 years in prison, but his jail time was reduced to a little more than 10 years because he pleaded guilty and spent time in pretrial custody.
He and his brother-in-law Dennis Cheeseman gave gunman James Roszko a rifle and ride to Roszko's farm where he ambushed and killed the RCMP officers in March 2005.
The decision disappointed Doreen Jewell-Duffy, the mother of Const. Anthony Gordon, one of the officers who was gunned down.

"I told the parole board this is my last statement regarding Shawn Hennessey because nothing is going to change the outcome. I told the parole board I hope the deaths of the fallen four haunt Shawn until the day he expires," she said afterward.
"I knew in the back of my mind that the parole board would give him unescorted leave. I just don't know why time is spent in the court system to hand down sentences only to have the parole board give the criminal shorter time. I'm not angry. I'm disappointed."

Federal Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney issued a statement through his press secretary.
"This individual was convicted of despicable crimes," Blaney said. "We cannot comment on specific decisions of the Parole Board of Canada. Our government believes that those who commit shockingly violent acts, including the murder of law enforcement officers, belong behind bars."
The officers were staking out a marijuana grow-op and auto chop shop that had been discovered on Roszko's property when they were ambushed. Roszko killed himself after being shot by another Mountie who had just arrived.

Cheeseman was sentenced to 12 years, but his jail time worked out to just over seven years because of credit he, too, received.

The two unsuccessfully asked the Alberta Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court of Canada to shorten their sentences even more. Their lawyers argued the punishment was vengeful and too severe.
The men said they feared for their own safety and that of their families if they didn't help Roszko. They were turned down at both court levels.
Cheeseman was granted statutory release late last year.

Hennessey is eligible for statutory release on Dec. 29, 2015.

Jewell-Duffy said the last nine years have done little to heal her wounds.
"It has been really hard. There are days that go by that I'm hoping he walks through the front door and says: 'Surprise Mom.' But it's not going to happen ... it will never happen again."

— By Bill Graveland in Calgary

 

[MPHopeful13]

... those who commit shockingly violent acts, including the murder of law enforcement officers, belong behind bars...

Couldn't agree more. They should never have diminished the original sentences, which were, in my opinion too lenient to begin with. 4x manslaughter concerning the shooting of 4 cops - give 'em life in solitary.

... the punishment was vengeful and too severe...

Seriously? Too severe? These guys handed a loaded weapon to a man that would later slaughter 4 good people who devoted their lives to helping people. As I said before, they should have all been given life with no possibility of parole.

 

[Lightguns]

Not having been in their shoes but researching the background, I wonder if I would have given him the gun as well.  The fact is that this was a dangerous offender who had never gotten the sentences he and society needed in the past.  He was a well known angry man who would rape your dog if he could get revenge on you.  he was the absolute terror of the local community and if you were in his sights you could expect no help from the local RCMP detachment.  In the end, the loose leash he was allowed to run around on effected the detachment the most. 

There are evil people in the world, if the good guys with the guns don't protect the average joe and/or arrest the average joe if he protects himself, the good guys have got to expect no help from the average joe.  If these two thought for one second that the RCMP would protect them and their families from this fruitcake they may have helped the cops.  The history of the RCMP in the community WRT to this offender demonstrates otherwise though.  Again the policing policy and activity in the community affected the detachment the most in the end. 

 

[Jarnhamar]

Not having been in their shoes but researching the background, I wonder if I would have given him the gun as well.  The fact is that this was a dangerous offender who had never gotten the sentences he and society needed in the past.  He was a well known angry man who would rape your dog if he could get revenge on you.  he was the absolute terror of the local community and if you were in his sights you could expect no help from the local RCMP detachment.  In the end, the loose leash he was allowed to run around on effected the detachment the most. 

There are evil people in the world, if the good guys with the guns don't protect the average joe and/or arrest the average joe if he protects himself, the good guys have got to expect no help from the average joe.  If these two thought for one second that the RCMP would protect them and their families from this fruitcake they may have helped the cops.  The history of the RCMP in the community WRT to this offender demonstrates otherwise though.  Again the policing policy and activity in the community affected the detachment the most in the end.

That's an interesting angle. I've read recent commentary regarding the farmer with the shotgun who confronted and slapped around the skidooers who were on his property.  Lots of land owners chiming in saying police don't bother charging snowmobilers for trespassing leaving the land owners feeling frustrated. 

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

and if you were in his sights you could expect no help from the local RCMP detachment.  In the end, the loose leash he was allowed to run around on effected the detachment the most

..and if no witnesses come forward willing to testify, or he didn't break the law in the RCMP's vision while doing that, they should still arrest him anyways????    Hmm, there are several banana republics calling for you to run them.....

 

[Kat Stevens]

That's an interesting angle. I've read recent commentary regarding the farmer with the shotgun who confronted and slapped around the skidooers who were on his property.  Lots of land owners chiming in saying police don't bother charging snowmobilers for trespassing leaving the land owners feeling frustrated.

The sad reality is that your property is nowhere near as important to law enforcement as it is to you.  I live in a county that is 40 mins across side to side and 45 mins up and down.  One cop is on patrol at night, two on weekends.  It's far easier for them to be patrolling the parking lots of the bars in the only real population centre (5000 people) rounding up rowdy rig pigs than it is to be patrolling the thousands of KM of rural roads out here.  a new trend is for the magpies to kick in peoples doors, grab what they can and run whether you are home or not, and if you take matters into your own hands, you're the criminal.  That's just how it is these days, I guess, animals can run free and civilized folk pay for it.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

But that's a political decision not a law enforcement one.

......and when those guys are out patrolling their houses are at risk just like yours.  Just sayin'......

 

[Kat Stevens]

But that's a political decision not a law enforcement one.

......and when those guys are out patrolling their houses are at risk just like yours.  Just sayin'......

My point was that things in rural areas are going to shit, not assigning blame to the individuals that do what they can with what they have.  Many people out here keep a shotgun in the bedroom rather than wait 45 minutes for a cop when the door gets kicked in.

Edit*  This took a tangent I didn't mean it to, apologies 

 

[Lightguns]

The reality is that the only person that can protect you from evil is yourself, properly trained and equipped.  The sole useful purpose of the cop at a crime scene is to recommend a good crime scene cleaning company.

 

[Journeyman]

The sole useful purpose of the cop at a crime scene is to recommend a good crime scene cleaning company.

  :

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The reality is that the only person that can protect you from evil is yourself, properly trained and equipped.  The sole useful purpose of the cop at a crime scene is to recommend a good crime scene cleaning company.

 

[Kat Stevens]

The reality is that the only person that can protect you from evil is yourself, properly trained and equipped.  The sole useful purpose of the cop at a crime scene is to recommend a good crime scene cleaning company.

The pragmatist realist pessimist in me feels that they would show up to take you into custody and ransack your home to "protect" your expensive firearms, sadly.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Or people get fed up and string a wire across a trail or drop some bear traps on their property (I'm aware of someone doing this to combat pot growers).

 

[Lightguns]

What does protecting yourself from crime have to do with Bear Grylls?  Protecting yourself from crime has little to do with the survivalist industry either.  Kinda of a troll are you?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

What does protecting yourself from crime have to do with Bear Grylls?  Protecting yourself from crime has little to do with the survivalist industry either.  Kinda of a troll are you?

It's called humour, you should try it sometime.

On the otherhand, your comment about "the sole purpose of cops at crime scenes is to recommend a good crime scene cleaning company" is one of the stupidest statements I have read on here in awhile.