A Deeply Fractured US

[QV]

Even with Trump ahead in all swing states, a key election win indicator, the polling is still within the MOC (margin of cheating). Trump will need much higher numbers to pull out an actual win.

 

[QV]

Brihard, I thought you'd like that one. Allow me to continue...

In 2016, they clearly didn't cheat enough and as they measured for drapes in the Whitehouse the looks on their faces when Trump won (absent cheating would have been a landslide) was epic. Then in 2020 they went way too far and laughably Sleepy Joe with almost nobody showing up to his rallies got even more votes than even Obama did! Amazing and totally expected from the widely revered statesman with no history of racial prejudice, corruption ("I'm for sale") or ever on the wrong side of foreign policy his entire career!

All very curious and hilarious. But I'm sure, as we've all been told with no auditable and transparent process to demonstrate, nothing malign at all was going on in any of these. Mmmhmmm.

The US is in quite the pickle, with probably more than half it's population not believing anything the "system" says or does anymore. This is a gigantic problem for all of us.

 

[dimsum]

Brihard, I thought you'd like that one. Allow me to continue...

In 2016, they clearly didn't cheat enough and as they measured for drapes in the Whitehouse the looks on their faces when Trump won (absent cheating would have been a landslide) was epic. Then in 2020 they went way too far and laughably Sleepy Joe with almost nobody showing up to his rallies got even more votes than even Obama did! Amazing and totally expected from the widely revered statesman with no history of racial prejudice, corruption ("I'm for sale") or ever on the wrong side of foreign policy his entire career!

All very curious and hilarious. But I'm sure, as we've all been told with no auditable and transparent process to demonstrate, nothing malign at all was going on in any of these. Mmmhmmm.

The US is in quite the pickle, with probably more than half it's population not believing anything the "system" says or does anymore. This is a gigantic problem for all of us.

Yes, because rally numbers = how many people will turn out to vote.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the Dems getting people to go out and vote, thus having the largest turnout in decades, if not longer. Or the Dems convincing the folks who don’t go to the rallies (who are card-carrying members of whatever party anyway) to vote for Biden.

Naw - it’s gotta be cheating.

 

[Remius]

Yes, because rally numbers = how many people will turn out to vote.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the Dems getting people to go out and vote, thus having the largest turnout in decades, if not longer. Or the Dems convincing the folks who don’t go to the rallies (who are card-carrying members of whatever party anyway) to vote for Biden.

Naw - it’s gotta be cheating.

Remember, one side actually told their people not to use mail in ballots…lol. Own goals…

 

[dimsum]

Remember, one side actually told their people not to use mail in ballots…lol. Own goals…

…and that side is now asking people to vote however they can.

I guess mail-in ballots are fine now?

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/02/trump-gop-early-voting-mail-2024

 

[brihard]

Brihard, I thought you'd like that one. Allow me to continue...

In 2016, they clearly didn't cheat enough and as they measured for drapes in the Whitehouse the looks on their faces when Trump won (absent cheating would have been a landslide) was epic. Then in 2020 they went way too far and laughably Sleepy Joe with almost nobody showing up to his rallies got even more votes than even Obama did! Amazing and totally expected from the widely revered statesman with no history of racial prejudice, corruption ("I'm for sale") or ever on the wrong side of foreign policy his entire career!

All very curious and hilarious. But I'm sure, as we've all been told with no auditable and transparent process to demonstrate, nothing malign at all was going on in any of these. Mmmhmmm.

The US is in quite the pickle, with probably more than half it's population not believing anything the "system" says or does anymore. This is a gigantic problem for all of us.

I did like it. It’s amazing and hilarious that you seem to actually be sucked into the ‘stolen election’ nonsense that has failed literally dozens of tests in court and many other checks and balances. Yes I will laugh, as I do to anyone still clinging to that. But you do you.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Even with Trump ahead in all swing states, a key election win indicator, the polling is still within the MOC (margin of cheating). Trump will need much higher numbers to pull out an actual win.

The margin for plausibly acceptable fraud is thinner than most people seem to think. The always-convenient misplaced boxes of ballots rarely amounts to more than a few hundred votes.

 

[brihard]

The margin for plausibly acceptable fraud is thinner than most people seem to think. The always-convenient misplaced boxes of ballots rarely amounts to more than a few hundred votes.

No no no, it’s all about all those boxes of absentee/mail in ballots that are regularly counted after midnight and after the in-person ballots by virtue of the individual states’ codified procedures. Ignore all the accurate, cogent, and legal explanations for this. It’s actually just fraud, you see.

 

[Lumber]

No no no, it’s all about all those boxes of absentee/mail in ballots that are regularly counted after midnight and after the in-person ballots by virtue of the individual states’ codified procedures. Ignore all the accurate, cogent, and legal explanations for this. It’s actually just fraud, you see.

DOn't forget that Trump is actually still in charge, Biden is dead and what we are seeing is a body double who works for the US military, but not the other US military, the one that you can't trust because it answers to the actual Biden, who is actually being controlled by Obama from behind the scenes.

 

[dimsum]

DOn't forget that Trump is actually still in charge, Biden is dead and what we are seeing is a body double who works for the US military, but not the other US military, the one that you can't trust because it answers to the actual Biden, who is actually being controlled by Obama from behind the scenes.

So…this is his 2nd term, right? So he’s ineligible to run for a third?

Right?

 

[Brad Sallows]

No no no, it’s all about all those boxes of absentee/mail in ballots that are regularly counted after midnight and after the in-person ballots by virtue of the individual states’ codified procedures. Ignore all the accurate, cogent, and legal explanations for this. It’s actually just fraud, you see.

The point is that fraud requiring more than a few dozen votes is difficult to engineer. "Overlooked ballots" have turned up a handful of times. My favourite was a judicial election a few years back. The initial result elected the conservative candidate. Lo, some extra ballots were found - a few hundred, plausibly enough to flip the result without requiring a suspiciously large imbalance. Then someone found a recording error in a tally sheet, and the election was no longer narrow enough to be decided by the found ballots.

 

[brihard]

The point is that fraud requiring more than a few dozen votes is difficult to engineer. "Overlooked ballots" have turned up a handful of times. My favourite was a judicial election a few years back. The initial result elected the conservative candidate. Lo, some extra ballots were found - a few hundred, plausibly enough to flip the result without requiring a suspiciously large imbalance. Then someone found a recording error in a tally sheet, and the election was no longer narrow enough to be decided by the found ballots.

Oh, I know you’re in no way a ‘big lie’ proponent. I was just being snarky and running on with it from what you said.

 

[QV]

This is fun. I do not know why some of you people seem to get butt hurt on this.

But seriously, for the folks who suggest there are no ways elections can be frauded, what do you think or make of the fact a huge (millions) portion of the voting public down there believe it's not totally legit and nor do they believe the media/government line that its all fine?

Is this not a gigantic problem? Are the beliefs of tens of millions of people to be completely fucked off? What is being done to change that?

 

[dapaterson]

This is fun. I do not know why some of you people seem to get butt hurt on this.

But seriously, for the folks who suggest there are no ways elections can be frauded, what do you think or make of the fact a huge (millions) portion of the voting public down there believe it's not totally legit and nor do they believe the media/government line that its all fine?

Is this not a gigantic problem? Are the beliefs of tens of millions of people to be completely fucked off? What is being done to change that?

For starters, people knowingly and aggressively lying about it to profit from it could be punished.

 

[Remius]

This is fun. I do not know why some of you people seem to get butt hurt on this.

But seriously, for the folks who suggest there are no ways elections can be frauded, what do you think or make of the fact a huge (millions) portion of the voting public down there believe it's not totally legit and nor do they believe the media/government line that its all fine?

No one said they could not be frauded. But plenty are proving why they can’t be frauded the way they believe they are.

Is this not a gigantic problem? Are the beliefs of tens of millions of people to be completely fucked off? What is being done to change that?

How do feel about the millions that think the government is headed by lizard people?

 

[QV]

For starters, people knowingly and aggressively lying about it to profit from it could be punished.

The government does not get to be "innocent until proven guilty". And they have not sufficiently demonstrated transparently they are innocent of malfeasance whether it be election interference or other abuses of office.

Until then, you will continue to have a huge portion of the public not buying the BS.

No one said they could not be frauded. But plenty are proving why they can’t be frauded the way they believe they are.

How do feel about the millions that think the government is headed by lizard people?

I've never heard that one Remius, but to the point I think you are trying to make, my opinion is irrelevant in every issue.

How does the government feel when close to 50% of it's voters don't trust them? Your kind want to ignore a gigantic problem and then will whinge when things get out of hand.

 

[Remius]

The government does not get to be "innocent until proven guilty". And they have not sufficiently demonstrated transparently they are innocent of malfeasance whether it be election interference or other abuses of office.

Until then, you will continue to have a huge portion of the public not buying the BS.



I've never heard that one Remius, but to the point I think you are trying to make, my opinion is irrelevant in every issue.

It exists. So what does the government do to change that mindset? Millions by the way. Most of them also buy into most QANON stuff as well.

How does the government feel when close to 50% of its voters don't trust them? Your kind want to ignore a gigantic problem and then will whinge when things get out of hand.

I doubt they feel anything. It’s an entity not a person. What is the source of that distrust? Mostly social media, pseudo news and ignorance of facts. Reeducation of the radicalized likely but I doubt there is a solution. The next election might be a an indication but the assumption from your kind is that nothing is legit unless you get the results you want.

You said it yourself. It’s about feelings. Not facts.

 

[mariomike]

It’s about feelings. Not facts.

Read that on here years ago.

The people who voted for Trump and will vote for him or his surrogate again, in 2020 and in 2024 and beyond, don't care about the data because it doesn't address their issues, their feelings.

 

[QV]

It exists. So what does the government do to change that mindset? Millions by the way. Most of them also buy into most QANON stuff as well.

I doubt they feel anything. It’s an entity not a person. What is the source of that distrust? Mostly social media, pseudo news and ignorance of facts. Reeducation of the radicalized likely but I doubt there is a solution. The next election might be a an indication but the assumption from your kind is that nothing is legit unless you get the results you want.

You said it yourself. It’s about feelings. Not facts.

I gather for you the source of distrust is limited to pseudo news, social media, and ignorance of facts. The absolute malfeasance by three letter agencies in support of political candidates has no bearing at all, hey? Those are facts. You can despise the man all day long, but if you ignore the corruption in the attempts to unseat him and prevent him from running, you are in fact working off emotions. TDS.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I'd like to see some substantial and factual proof that millions of people actually believe the government is headed up by 'lizard people'