Ontario Majority Government 2022-2026 (?)

[The Bread Guy]

Just kicking this off with the upcoming Throne speech today outlining what's to come ...

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

Ontario legislature resumes, Ted Arnott re-elected as Speaker

TORONTO — Politicians returned to Ontario's legislature on Monday and re-elected the Speaker, a day ahead of the government presenting a throne speech and a re-introduced budget.

ottawa.citynews.ca

Ontario MPPs back at legislature for start of new session

It's the first time they are sitting since the June election

canoe.com

Ontario’s budget to be re-tabled: This is what the Ford government promised

The Progressive Conservatives are set to re-table their 2022 budget today, nearly three months after it was presented to Ontarians.

www.cp24.com

Op edit to add question mark re: when the next election WILL be.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Since there was a fair bit of granular discussion of long-term care/nursing homes here, here's a few developments - still early days on this one ....

In a first for Ontario, two not-for-profit nursing homes fined for not having air conditioning

Two not-for-profit nursing homes in London and Sarnia are facing small fines of $1,100 each for failing to install air conditioning in all residents’ rooms as required by law.

www.thestar.com

Province fines two nursing homes for failing to provide AC to residents

Two Ontario nursing homes have been slapped with penalties for failing to provide air conditioning in resident rooms.

torontosun.com

Ontario considering moving some seniors up to 300km away due to bed shortages: sources

Consultations remain underway, the government says, and the north may not even be included when the official distances are announced.

ottawa.citynews.ca

Ontario government plans to bypass public hearings stage for long-term care bill

Long-term care and seniors' advocates say they are disappointed Ontario's Progressive Conservative government is planning to bypass public hearings for long-term care legislation that allows hospital patients awaiting long-term care to be transferred to a home without their consent.

www.cp24.com

LILLEY: Ford government needs to slow down on bill to move patients to LTC

There is a massive and growing problem in Ontario’s hospital system with patients who should be moved out to other locations taking up beds.

torontosun.com

My own quick-and-dirty ...

• Interesting the not-for-profit homes got hit with fines first (although I suspect there's more to follow)
• The 300 km figure is still one side's estimate, so we'll see how that unfolds
• Bypassing hearings isn't a great idea - and when a Sun columnist says to take care in doing this (notwithstanding they money the outlet/chain gets as bought-and-paid-for media), this sounds like across-the-board "do it right" call

 

[dapaterson]

"When a Sun columnist who dumped his wife to shack up with the premier's head of communications..."

 

[Fishbone Jones]

29 pages of the media paid out by Diaz.

Every news media who secretly took Trudeau's $61M pre-election pay-off

Read this shameful 29-page list of EVERY media outlet — nearly 1,500 companies! — who took from Trudeau's $61M pre-election “emergency relief”.

www.rebelnews.com

 

[The Bread Guy]

29 pages of the media paid out by Diaz.

Every news media who secretly took Trudeau's $61M pre-election pay-off

Read this shameful 29-page list of EVERY media outlet — nearly 1,500 companies! — who took from Trudeau's $61M pre-election “emergency relief”.

www.rebelnews.com

With an overlap here ...

From Canadaland, a list of (mostly smallish, local) media outlets who got some $ - good overall view of the different funds available, too.

Who got paid from Trudeau’s $23.5 million media assistance fund?

Canadaland has obtained a list of the recipients

www.canadaland.com

List also attached

... but still nobody denying on Team Blue that they want to limit public input streamline the process by axing public hearings on the long term care law. I'm good with letting that factoid speak for itself.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Isn't this is supposed to be a crisis, needing attention now? If so, do we get something in place now to let the steam off and sort it out as we go? Or do they propose a committee to look into it? Then the committee gets picked, sorts themselves out. Putting ducks in a row, parameters of the study, scheduling cross country town halls. Experts, unions, the public and politics. You get the idea. What, one maybe two years, if lucky for a plan that still has to be approved and financed rolled out in another year? What do we do with the overburdened system that will surely implode, any time now? Have I got that about right?

Unfortunately, the further north, the less metroplitan, less populated it gets (not trying to tell you how to suck eggs) and the further apart things get. The less the infrastructure.

So, until they get things figured out, Aunt Jenny from Timmins will just have to give up her bed at Timmins Hospital for digs down the road in Sudbury, 295 km away. But, look on the bright side, thanks to our socialist medical system, it won't cost anything

 

[Halifax Tar]

"When a Sun columnist who dumped his wife to shack up with the premier's head of communications..."

Sounds salacious! What did I miss...

29 pages of the media paid out by Diaz.

Every news media who secretly took Trudeau's $61M pre-election pay-off

Read this shameful 29-page list of EVERY media outlet — nearly 1,500 companies! — who took from Trudeau's $61M pre-election “emergency relief”.

www.rebelnews.com

With an overlap here ...

... but still nobody denying on Team Blue that they want to limit public input streamline the process by axing public hearings on the long term care law. I'm good with letting that factoid speak for itself.

Spending tax dollars to prop up the naturally dying printed media industry is about what should be expected from this government.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Isn't this is supposed to be a crisis, needing attention now? If so, do we get something in place now to let the steam off and sort it out as we go? Or do they propose a committee to look into it? Then the committee gets picked, sorts themselves out. Putting ducks in a row, parameters of the study, scheduling cross country town halls. Experts, unions, the public and politics. You get the idea. What, one maybe two years, if lucky for a plan that still has to be approved and financed rolled out in another year? What do we do with the overburdened system that will surely implode, any time now? Have I got that about right?

Yeah, this is something that needs dealing with ASAP, but if a Team Red government suggested going ahead without any public input, the whole totalitarian Big Brother "f@#$%^&*kers don't listen to anyone" memes would be popping out all over, am I right? #GoodForTheGoose

... until they get things figured out, Aunt Jenny from Timmins will just have to give up her bed at Timmins Hospital for digs down the road in Sudbury, 295 km away. But, look on the bright side, thanks to our socialist medical system, it won't cost anything

So because this is going ahead in a hurry without public input right now, this is OK then? After all, the problem gets solved toute suite. Here's hoping it's not your Aunt Jenny worthy of a hearty laugh ...

 

[YZT580]

Yeah, this is something that needs dealing with ASAP, but if a Team Red government suggested going ahead without any public input, the whole totalitarian Big Brother "f@#$%^&*kers don't listen to anyone" memes would be popping out all over, am I right? #GoodForTheGoose

So because this is going ahead in a hurry without public input right now, this is OK then? After all, the problem gets solved toute suite. Here's hoping it's not your Aunt Jenny worthy of a hearty laugh ...

Public input is great, in theory but it is also a great recipe for never getting anything done. Find a bed for Aunt Jenny. Make sure it is a good bed. Some of the homes I have visited need to be burnt down and totally replaced. Then start the building phase back in Aunt Jenny's home district, along with the consultation. Perhaps having your Aunt 300 km. away will give you some incentive to actually agree instead of perpetually debating.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Yeah, this is something that needs dealing with ASAP, but if a Team Red government suggested going ahead without any public input, the whole totalitarian Big Brother "f@#$%^&*kers don't listen to anyone" memes would be popping out all over, am I right? #GoodForTheGoose

So because this is going ahead in a hurry without public input right now, this is OK then? After all, the problem gets solved toute suite. Here's hoping it's not your Aunt Jenny worthy of a hearty laugh ...

Hypothetical whataboutism.

So we'd rather face a crisis in hospitalizations and have people treated in the parking lot, than swallow the pill and cater to people's personal problems? This isn't a problem that happened over night or when Ford got elected. Let's not pretend it's all his fault. This is our social medical plan. When everything is free, everyone wants input and their personal needs are the national priority, so far as they're concerned. We're just following social evolution here. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. We're just running out of people that work for a living (taxes) to support those that don't. I don't recall anyone bitching when they were shuffling patients from Toronto to Windsor, which is about the same distance. And I'll bet when that happened, a whole lot of people up north were saying, "Fuck that, it's Toronto's problem." including Aunt Jenny's caregivers. Am I right?

 

[Halifax Tar]

The problem is that the generations that established our social medical system no foresight and wanted to do it on the cheap. And now they are at the age where they need it and they are discovering they planned poorly, personally and governmentally.

Now the chickens have come home to roost, and the working generations are much smaller and cant produce the tax base to support our social medical system, amongst the myriad of the social programs this complacent country has become addicted too.

Truthfully, I think all we can do is weather storm until the elderly generations are gone and hope that things come back to manageable level.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... I don't recall anyone bitching when they were shuffling patients from Toronto to Windsor, which is about the same distance. And I'll bet when that happened, a whole lot of people up north were saying, "Fuck that, it's Toronto's problem." including Aunt Jenny's caregivers. Am I right?

Just as right as nobody bitched when Ottawa cancer patients came to northern Ontario with the province covering the whole cost up front while others going in the other direction didn't get all their costs covered

... Perhaps having your Aunt 300 km. away will give you some incentive to actually agree instead of perpetually debating.

So having one's Aunt 300 km away is supposed to make one like waiting better than to ask, "before we cast this in stone (because nothing is as permanent as "interim" or "temporary" measures), let's take a breath"?

Agree with the idea of "85-90% solution now is better than a perfect solution a year from now/never", but I'm a touch skeptical of "better to sort it out now and we'll figure it out as we go." Twenty-plus years ago, when a provincial government set up a panel with the legal authority to close acute-care hospital beds, and asking the CEO "what about alternate levels of care spaces to make up for those closures?" Answer: "We don't have the mandate to order that, and other parts of the system are responsible for that." We've been through Team Blue & Team Red @ Queen's Park since then not doing enough.

Public input is great, in theory but it is also a great recipe for never getting anything done ...

100%, but I suspect that there's quicker ways of doing it than this ...

... do they propose a committee to look into it? Then the committee gets picked, sorts themselves out. Putting ducks in a row, parameters of the study, scheduling cross country town halls. Experts, unions, the public and politics. You get the idea. What, one maybe two years, if lucky for a plan that still has to be approved and financed rolled out in another year? ...

... especially from the provincial party of smaller government.

The problem is that the generations that established our social medical system no foresight and wanted to do it on the cheap. And now they are at the age where they need it and they are discovering they planned poorly, personally and governmentally.

For sure.

Truthfully, I think all we can do is weather storm until the elderly generations are gone and hope that things come back to manageable level.

I'm not quite as pessimistic as that, but I can see why you and others would be.

 

[Halifax Tar]

For sure.

I'm not quite as pessimistic as that, but I can see why you and others would be.

Canadians will blame the politicians for this, but they refuse to accept their responsibility that they elected these people over and over again. The problem is Canadians.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I suppose the revenue side (tax base) is fine. It's the expense side that needs scrutiny. What are we paying for that's more important than health care?

Scroll down to Fig 1.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I suppose the revenue side (tax base) is fine. It's the expense side that needs scrutiny. What are we paying for that's more important than health care?

Scroll down to Fig 1.

Part of the problem, indeed. Other part of the equation is how provinces do things - and the same question can be fairly asked at that level, too.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Health Care cash flows from the feds. Should we back out of the deal and go it alone? Everything the provinces do in HC is based off of how much the feds are willing to put out. Can they be better stewards of that cash? Absolutely. Are the provinces solely at fault for shortages? Or do we demand the feds raise taxes to cover the extra expense and distribute it to us. That, I wouldn't bet a plugged nickel, would ever happen.

The bottom line is we are running out of other people's money, during a recession, with the feds throwing billions at third world countries. The more spent offshore, the less there is to take care of Canadians. Maybe we should keep a couple of those billions here and put it into long term care? This whole problem starts a lot higher than provincial parliaments. They are the housewives, trying to figure what is more important, shoes or food.

Let's put the blame where it really belongs.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... The more spent offshore, the less there is to take care of Canadians. Maybe we should keep a couple of those billions here and put it into long term care? This whole problem starts a lot higher than provincial parliaments. They are the housewives, trying to figure what is more important, shoes or food.

Let's put the blame where it really belongs.

All true, but since the title of the thread is "Ontario Majority Government 2022-2026," there's also room for more than just blaming the usual whipping boy(s) while, at the same time, discussing what Ontario should/shouldn't do, no?

 

[Good2Golf]

Well one thing the info that @Brad Sallows linked to, is that Ontario for all the faults that many complain about (particularly from the West it seems of late), still pays its own way and then some. Funny that folks like to complain about how a mass of people get a disproportionate say in how a country runs, but they don’t mind seeing those very same people/voters being a big chunk of revenues feeding the government expenditures. Food for thought…

Frankly I have a lot more confidence that my provincial tax dollars are being expended more responsibly than they were under the fiascos that were McGuinty and particularly Wynne!

 

[Fishbone Jones]

"All true, but since the title of the thread is "Ontario Majority Government 2022-2026," there's also room for more than just blaming the usual whipping boy(s) while, at the same time, discussing what Ontario should/shouldn't do, no?

"Sure, as long as we recognise the fact that this comedy of errors is not just Ford's baby. He inherited it.

How many times during training have you heard. "Don't stand there! Do something, even if it turns out wrong, DO SOMETHING!"

That's what Ford has done with the time & resources alloted to him.

He can't print money like trudeau does. So for now, we do what we can afford, to help alleviate the crisis. Let the liberals and dippers argue while Ford gets on with the problem.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Well one thing the info that @Brad Sallows linked to, is that Ontario for all the faults that many complain about (particularly from the West it seems of late), still pays its own way and then some. Funny that folks like to complain about how a mass of people get a disproportionate say in how a country runs, but they don’t mind seeing those very same people/voters being a big chunk of revenues feeding the government expenditures. Food for thought…

Frankly I have a lot more confidence that my provincial tax dollars are being expended more responsibly than they were under the fiascos that were McGuinty and particularly Wynne!

In large part, because we have almost half of the population, of Canada, in Ontario.