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The problem every politician has is that of first getting elected. How much bad news are people willing to hear? How many oxen can be gored?
2023 UCP Alberta election
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The problem every politician has is that of first getting elected. How much bad news are people willing to hear? How many oxen can be gored?
Smith distances herself from Take Back Alberta leader after Poilievre comments
Alberta Premier says she does not want ‘to be associated with that kind of commentary, and I don’t want to be associated with that kind of personal attack and bullying’
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Good for her for calling this guy out.
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What a slack jawed ignoramus.
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Rahim Mohamed: Danielle Smith's Alberta model leads the way, as harm reduction consensus collapses
Recovery oriented addiction programs remain good politics for the UCP
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Continuing to rack up Ws.
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Because local governments are legally subordinate to provincial governments, I fail to see this as a major issue. The usual inflated screech from CBC.
I'll consider this another check in the W column.
I'll consider this another check in the W column.
Presumably you’re good with the federal power of disallowance then, should federal cabinet decide to prevent this provincial law from being enacted?
Or should we maybe leave each level of government to attend to its own affairs and not unduly thwart the wills of voters within that jurisdiction?
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Really? A win?
When literally every municipal government in Alberta, from Acme to Calgary, to Czar and Edmonton, to Red Deer and Wetaskiwin are united against it (it is a remarkably difficult feat to get Alberta Municipalities to agree on the weather or time of day), you should know this is a major error.
The UCP screwed up.
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Pfft nahh. Short-sighted partisan schadenfreude is way more important than democratic principles, conservative principles, or simple good governance.
Gotta put those urban NDP voters in their place- that's the important thing. No irony in a "freedom" espousing supposedly conservative government expanding their reach to run rough shod over citizens, and no chance that Q would be incredibly opposed to an NDP government doing the same to impose their will on rural municipalities.
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Another in the WIN column. Thank you UCP.
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Alberta government rejects Calgary motion to allow permanent residents to vote in civic elections
Read the full story and comment on CochraneToday.ca
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Is the UCP move constitutional? If it's not, then I'll revise my stance and not be for it.
Here is a good examination of disallowance:
What to know about disallowance — the power that lets Ottawa 'disallow' provincial laws
The simple reason disallowance hasn't been used in modern times is that it would likely provoke an immediate constitutional crisis
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The problem I see is that "If" the federal government wanted to undermine the provincial governments then one way to do that would be to approach the cities, which the constitution identifies as provincial responsibilities, and convert them into clients of the federal government or third levels of government.
Given that most people in the provinces live in cities that would tend to delegitimize the provinces by reducing their popular support and legitimize the federal and municipal governments.
American echoes - The Electoral College, the Senate and the State Houses are in constant tension with the Federal Government who appeals to the cities and the popular vote.
Our Prime Minister has made no secret of his disdain for the Provinces and has explicitly courted the cities to make an end run around the provinces.
In my view Danielle Smith has just made it clear that she accepts responsibility for the operations of the cities as characterized by the constitution.
If Trudeau wants the relationship with the cities that he seems to want then the correct response would be to change the constitution and raise some or all of the cities to the status of additional provinces.
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As noted the federal government claims the ability to govern the governments of the provinces. Smith is merely claiming the same ground for her province. She would be remiss in her duties if she allowed a criminal enterprise to operate as the government of one of her cities. This makes explicit that she has the tools to manage that situation.
The Chestermere case is top of mind.
calgaryherald.com
calgaryherald.com
And the problem is not unique to Alberta
Given that most people in the provinces live in cities that would tend to delegitimize the provinces by reducing their popular support and legitimize the federal and municipal governments.
American echoes - The Electoral College, the Senate and the State Houses are in constant tension with the Federal Government who appeals to the cities and the popular vote.
Our Prime Minister has made no secret of his disdain for the Provinces and has explicitly courted the cities to make an end run around the provinces.
In my view Danielle Smith has just made it clear that she accepts responsibility for the operations of the cities as characterized by the constitution.
If Trudeau wants the relationship with the cities that he seems to want then the correct response would be to change the constitution and raise some or all of the cities to the status of additional provinces.
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As noted the federal government claims the ability to govern the governments of the provinces. Smith is merely claiming the same ground for her province. She would be remiss in her duties if she allowed a criminal enterprise to operate as the government of one of her cities. This makes explicit that she has the tools to manage that situation.
The Chestermere case is top of mind.
'Problem after problem after problem': Frustrated, Chestermere residents call on premier to remove council
Premier Danielle Smith's government is being urged to remove what some Chestermere residents say is a dysfunctional city council.
calgaryherald.com
Court rejects Chestermere's bid to stop planned dismissal of council, administrators
A Court of King's Bench ruling clears the way for Municipal Affairs Minister Ric McIver to fire Chestermere's council and top bureaucrats.
calgaryherald.com
And the problem is not unique to Alberta
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The Chestermere case is top of mind.
'Problem after problem after problem': Frustrated, Chestermere residents call on premier to remove council
Premier Danielle Smith's government is being urged to remove what some Chestermere residents say is a dysfunctional city council.Court rejects Chestermere's bid to stop planned dismissal of council, administrators
A Court of King's Bench ruling clears the way for Municipal Affairs Minister Ric McIver to fire Chestermere's council and top bureaucrats.
And the problem is not unique to Alberta
What goes around, comes around.
Your example of a dysfunctional municipal council reminds me of the elected Calgary Board of Education that was so dysfunctional that the Learning Minister dissolved it in 1999 and appointed an official trustee to run the Calgary public schools. One of the members of that board most identified as being at the centre of the conflict, though not solely responsible for the problem, was a newly elected, first term school trustee called Danielle Smith.
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And how exactly do you suggest that Trudeau would accomplish this wizardry when changing the Constitution requires the consent of the majority of the Provinces?The problem I see is that "If" the federal government wanted to undermine the provincial governments then one way to do that would be to approach the cities, which the constitution identifies as provincial responsibilities, and convert them into clients of the federal government or third levels of government.
Given that most people in the provinces live in cities that would tend to delegitimize the provinces by reducing their popular support and legitimize the federal and municipal governments.
American echoes - The Electoral College, the Senate and the State Houses are in constant tension with the Federal Government who appeals to the cities and the popular vote.
Our Prime Minister has made no secret of his disdain for the Provinces and has explicitly courted the cities to make an end run around the provinces.
In my view Danielle Smith has just made it clear that she accepts responsibility for the operations of the cities as characterized by the constitution.
If Trudeau wants the relationship with the cities that he seems to want then the correct response would be to change the constitution and raise some or all of the cities to the status of additional provinces.
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As noted the federal government claims the ability to govern the governments of the provinces. Smith is merely claiming the same ground for her province. She would be remiss in her duties if she allowed a criminal enterprise to operate as the government of one of her cities. This makes explicit that she has the tools to manage that situation.
The Chestermere case is top of mind.
'Problem after problem after problem': Frustrated, Chestermere residents call on premier to remove council
Premier Danielle Smith's government is being urged to remove what some Chestermere residents say is a dysfunctional city council.Court rejects Chestermere's bid to stop planned dismissal of council, administrators
A Court of King's Bench ruling clears the way for Municipal Affairs Minister Ric McIver to fire Chestermere's council and top bureaucrats.
And the problem is not unique to Alberta
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Sounds to me like Trudeau knows he couldn't change the constitution and knows he shouldn't be doing what he is doing by courting cities to end run provinces.
And the UCP is taking steps to make damn sure he can't meddle in their areas of authority.
So yeah, a UCP win to me. Opinions may vary.
And the UCP is taking steps to make damn sure he can't meddle in their areas of authority.
So yeah, a UCP win to me. Opinions may vary.
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With any luck he wouldn't . That is my point. I am quite comfy with the constitutional arrangements as they exist which means that the Federal government needs Provincial involvement if it wants to get involved with Municipal affairs. Equally it means that the Provincial governments have a Federal check. The Municipal has a Provincial check.
If all things balanced properly the Federal government would also be held in check. The Provinces?
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PP's housing platform is to do the exact same thing- Carrot and stick monies directly to municipalities. Is that also courting cities to end run provinces?
Alternatively- the UCP is acting to thwart the duly elected municipal governments from enacting policies that are within the jurisdiction of said governments as previously determined by the government of Alberta.
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Subsidiarity
Where the local is supported by the superior to the detriment of the intermediate.
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Where the local is supported by the superior to the detriment of the intermediate.
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