What are the chances that this announcement is the fall-out of re-allocating funds to keep the MCDVs operating?Oldgateboatdriver said:In another thread (6 MCDV to be mothballed, I think) ...
Teeps74 said:More Res love from Ottawa...
George Wallace said:This has got me thinking/wondering why someone hasn't come up with a plan to take a few of these MCDVs that can not be manned and placing them in locations such as HMCS Star in Hamilton, HMCS York in Toronto, as well as places like Quebec City, Kingston and Thunder Bay as Training platforms, either alongside or dry docked? This would provide trained Reservists to augment the MCDVs that are still being sent to sea.
Probably because it would be contrary to the political debate & direction reversal that now calls to see all maritime costal defence vessels active & defending our coasts. The 6 vessels that could not be manned will be manned. There is not the option to put them somewhere else. Something else had to give.George Wallace said:This has got me thinking/wondering why someone hasn't come up with a plan to take a few of these MCDVs that can not be manned and placing them in locations such as HMCS Star in Hamilton, HMCS York in Toronto, as well as places like Quebec City, Kingston and Thunder Bay as Training platforms, either alongside or dry docked?
MCG said:Probably because it would be contrary to the political debate & direction reversal that now calls to see all maritime costal defence vessels active & defending our coasts. The 6 vessels that could not be manned will be manned. There is not the option to put them somewhere else. Something else had to give.
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/93567.25.html
DONT_PANIC said:If adequate staff could be provided,
CDN Aviator said:I'm sure that is at the heart of the problem....
DONT_PANIC said:Perhaps the solution to providing more supervision could lie in tapping both the NRDs and ships. For example, lets say each department on a ship was able to provide even one trade qualified sailor to supervise trainees on the downship. This would certainly increase the burden on the remainder of the crew that was sailing and would require standing 1 in 2s instead of 1 in 3. However, this would also free up another bunk for a trainee at sea. This would also give the ships much more input into the actual training of the sailors they'd be receiving in the future.
DONT_PANIC said:People could have a chance to crawl through all the spaces in detail and get their know your ship books done.
In terms of trade development, I assume MESOs would have a great opportunity to work on drawings and such...
KrazyHamburglar said:I assume you meant MSEO...?
I’m pretty sure the OP was talking about reservists…KrazyHamburglar said:I these points, I totally disagree, the KYSB are class specific. It would be a huge waste of time and resources, unless they are used to train reservists.
The Kingston Class don’t qualify as “real” units in your view?KrazyHamburglar said:It is useless to work on drawings and equipment that you're not going to use anyway and you'll need to do again once you join a "real" unit...
Lex Parsimoniae said:The Kingston Class don’t qualify as “real” units in your view?
George Wallace said:This has got me thinking/wondering why someone hasn't come up with a plan to take a few of these MCDVs that can not be manned and placing them in locations such as HMCS Star in Hamilton, HMCS York in Toronto, as well as places like Quebec City, Kingston and Thunder Bay as Training platforms, either alongside or dry docked? This would provide trained Reservists to augment the MCDVs that are still being sent to sea.
DONT_PANIC said:I spent some time last month out west doing some OJT, and what really struck me was that even alongside with no real crew, these MCDVs could be really usefull training platforms during times (like the summer) when there are generally be more trainees (sometimes far too many) that billets on ships that are sailling. If adequate staff could be provided, they could be used by many trades to complete a number requirements on their various OJPRs, as well as develop a wide range of general seamanship skills.
For instance, it could be a great place to get people double banked as quartermaster and other dutywatch related jobs and start getting people quartermaster qualified. People could have a chance to crawl through all the spaces in detail and get their know your ship books done. Trainees could have a chance to go through various damage control evolutions in slow time to get adjusted from how things were done in DC school to how they are done on ship. No reason the ship couldn't go through flying stations or force protection states either. In terms of trade development, I assume MESOs would have a great opportunity to work on drawings and such; NCIOPS could go through flashup routines, message processing etc... No reason the cooks can't cook soup/lunch.
Less comments about the Kingston Class not being "real" units would help. :2c:KrazyHamburglar said:Also, I think we need to distance ourselves from the us and them concept. (res vs reg)